00:00.00 lentesta And. 00:00.39 dclduo Welcome back everybody to this week's episode of the d actually are screwed up. 00:05.91 lentesta And take this is be basic than every podcast I've ever done sorry aarin sorry Aaron sorry Erin sorry eraron. 00:10.77 dclduo Ah. 00:16.63 dclduo Ah, welcome back. Everybody to this week's bonus episode of the DCL duo podcast brought to you by my path unwinding travel and welcome Sam my fabulous co-host welcome to the show. 00:25.68 Sam Why thank you Brian happy to be here for another bonus show especially with our I'm going to call him a celebrity guest I don't know that he would call himself that but I'm going to call him that but. 00:36.93 dclduo Yes, all right? Well we've got lin testsa with us everybody and so you can hear very little from us today and a lot from Lynn that's our goal because Lynne just had ah his first experience on board. The Disney wish and. 00:39.73 lentesta Definitely not but let's see what happens. 00:50.10 lentesta Um, right. 00:53.87 dclduo I find that Lyn always comes to approach these kinds of things with a very different perspective than some others out there who are cruising enthusiast and so I really wanted to get Len's take on the wish and so we're excited to talk to you about that tonight. So lyn welcome once again to our show. We really appreciate you taking the time. 01:11.16 lentesta Um, ah thanks for having me on Brian I I appreciate it nada and hello again sam hows it going? Awesome! Yeah, so um, so since the last time I was on I think most of my cruising has been on virgin um. 01:13.88 Sam Good. 01:22.26 dclduo Oh. 01:22.60 Sam No interesting. 01:25.60 lentesta Which is a completely different experience than than Disney for 1 thing. It's adults only um and number 2 is's sort of a a completely different vibe if you will and and I hadn't been on a I I had tried to get on the wish in July not the inaugural crews but 1 of the quick. 01:31.79 Sam Um, yeah. 01:32.42 dclduo Yeah. 01:43.61 lentesta 1 of the ones quickly after the inaugural and um and my cru was one of the ones that was affected by the delay in the launch. so um so I actually got pushed out. So um I still have a credit floating around somewhere on Disney's website for that for that cruise, but this one we had scheduled over a year ago and it was um, it was part of our podcast. 01:43.91 dclduo Yeah. 01:51.90 Sam Um. 02:03.59 lentesta The disney dish podcast so it was calling. We were calling it the ah the disney dish on the Disney wish and um, thank you? Yeah, totally totally. We actually had ah had I think come up with the idea of the cruise before Disney named the ship. So the rhyming part was complete luck. 02:05.66 dclduo Yep. 02:09.93 Sam Yeah, cute. 02:21.90 Sam Oh wow. 02:23.32 lentesta Um, the cool. Yeah, no, yeah, it was good. So yeah I think we're joking that the ah ah we need to change the podcast name to rhyme with treasure for the next ship we'll see it see what you exactly the the disney podcast for good measure on the Disney treasure right? Good idea. Thank you Sam going with that. 02:31.88 Sam Right? for good measure. We're on the Disney treasure. Ah right exactly you're welcome you're welcome I I'm expecting royalties for ah. 02:37.18 dclduo Here you go there, you go there, you go. 02:41.34 lentesta Getting t-shirts made now. Yeah I know we're yeah just ah I'll send the check. Yeah, just ah yeah, definitely um so the and we had around 60 cabins. Um, you know booked for for this particular event which was which kind of good because when Jim and I originally announced. 02:45.14 dclduo Yeah. 02:59.80 lentesta The event we were like worst case scenario is Jim it's just you and me like no one else shows up but you know we're in the caribbean we have some podcast podcasting equipment. We have some drinks like what you wrong and. 03:09.81 Sam Exactly exactly. So for those who don't know Len he is the creator of the touring plans which is that famous tool that tells you what order to do your rides at the parks in and it's. 03:23.90 lentesta Right. 03:26.77 Sam You know he obviously secret createded the algorithm and everything behind it. He is the owner of it. Um, which includes touring pen plans travel and obviously he is a co-host of the Disney dish podcast. So that's just like ah oh yeah, right. 03:38.31 dclduo And the co-author and the and a co-author of several unofficial guides as well. So yeah, yes, yes. 03:40.56 lentesta Um, yeah, so I wrote the original version of the the unofficial guide to the Disney Cruise line as well. so um so I've been on all of the cruises. All of the Disney cruises. Sorry all of Disney Cruise ships including the wish I've done. 03:46.57 Sam Yeah. 03:56.98 lentesta I think all um, all of the caribbean itineraries many of the west coast ones I haven't done the med or the northern european ones yet? Um, but I mean my my co-author Aaron Foster has done those um and Aaron does ah Aaron basically does the. 04:03.15 dclduo Okay. 04:03.18 Sam E. 04:12.48 lentesta Ah, most of the writing for that book now and she does a fabulous job at it. So. 04:13.92 dclduo No no Eron's Eron's great. We got a chance to meet her on the wish in person with her daughter I believe she was sailing with. 04:17.60 lentesta Yeah here you I think she' on a cruise now I think should the dream like literally as we're recording this right now. So living your best life. Yeah, of course that's fantastic, right? Correcting me? Oh yeah, correcting me when I'm wrong. Yes, she'll do that later on. It's fine. 04:23.97 Sam Um, of course she is and telling you what to say? ah. 04:24.77 dclduo Ah, ah, she's not she's not standing over your shoulder. You know giving you answers. That's ah. 04:32.80 dclduo Ah, well. 04:33.88 lentesta Yeah, so this was this is my first experience on the and wish I got to say like if you know prior to the wish my ah, my favorite ships were definitely the dream class ships like depending on the itinerary and frankly, the price. Um, you know the dreamer. The fantasy were the 2 ships that I liked the best my least favorite ship is the wonder. 04:42.56 dclduo Okay. 04:53.88 lentesta Magic is sort of somewhere in between there. Um, mainly because um I like the bars in the spas on Disney ships more than I like almost anything else and I think they do them really really well in the dream and fantasy. In fact, um I know if I told you guys this but in the house that first house that laurel and I lived in we actually redid our bathrooms to be like. 05:00.20 dclduo E. 05:00.31 Sam A. 05:13.74 dclduo Who I am definitely going to go check that out. 05:14.20 lentesta Rainforest showers on the dream and the fantasy there are photos online. You should go look them up. Um. 05:20.19 Sam I thought you were going to say I thought you designed your bathrooms to be like Barcelona. Um. 05:26.35 lentesta Don't know it's ah so it's the ah it was the glass tile circular shower of the rainforest spasas and yeah, so we liked it that much so I'm a huge fan of Disney Spas and bars. Um, so I did. 05:28.74 dclduo M. 05:34.92 Sam Um, yeah. 05:37.99 dclduo But did but did you bring the cold shower into option into your bathroom. Ah there you go. 05:43.80 lentesta Did bring the rainfor shower heads. Um, which was ah which was a thing. Yeah, so like every morning when I woke up it was It was like the best possible Wicked experience. You could have I loved those showers. It was really really good. So yeah, so I like the ships a lot. 05:53.51 dclduo Yeah, well Lyn I was going to joke because I saw a tweet from you today I think it was today. It's hard to know what the way the timeline set up on Twitter these days but that you're going to be keeping it positive with Disney for the rest of 2022 I think it was and so just just let us know if we need to go ahead and just. 05:56.31 Sam That's awesome. 06:06.72 lentesta So right? Yeah I got you know. 06:10.95 Sam Do we need to cancel this show altogether. 06:11.96 dclduo Ah, abandon this show Altogether Yeah ah. 06:15.21 lentesta Um I I am excited to talk about even more magic with the Walt Disney company so yeah so super excited there. 06:25.17 Sam Ah, well we but we want your honest, we want your honest reviews here. So even if you think there are negatives to the wish we want to hear them and and we won't count that against you as violating your tweet. 06:25.29 dclduo Well, but ah yeah. 06:27.50 lentesta And. 06:33.79 dclduo Yeah I have no no I say I have no doubt that Lyn will give us his honest opinions. Anyone is going to give us his honest opinion. It will be letting so. 06:37.33 lentesta Um, is so the good. No what were gonna say like because I oh yeah, yeah, so we so this the cruise that I was on was a three day out of Port Canaveral it was September Twenty third through the twenty sixth generally I'm not a fan of three day cruises because I feel like you're unpacking on night number one and you're packing on nightt number 3 not a whole lot of time to relax. Um, but you know we were trying to accommodate the schedules of you know over 150 people. Um, and we're also trying to keep the cost down. Um, so. 06:54.56 dclduo M. 06:59.96 Sam E. 07:12.99 lentesta Ah, three night was the best way. The best compromise there for that I will say this if you look at um, prices on the dream in the wish the dream is sailing similar itineraries granted out of Miami instead of poor canappveroral but it about 20% less so one of the big questions I had going on the ship was is the wish worth a 20% premium. So we'll talk about that. But um, onboarding process in Port Canaveral you know we got there. This was my first time sailing Disney Postco um here was there's something interesting. So I I recently started playing like. 07:33.39 Sam E. 07:49.97 lentesta Electric guitar it was something to do that didn't involve sitting in front of a computer and I didn't realize you can't bring instruments musical instruments on Disney Cruise ship and the funny thing was like I was on you know I had gone on virgin like I said before and not only will virgin let you bring instruments on. 07:58.41 Sam We were good. Yeah, we were going to tease you about this Ah len. 08:08.79 lentesta In some staterooms they have guitars hanging from the walls like so you know so I asked I asked um you know Disney like you know why? why? if virgin lets you do it. Why doesn't disney and the answer I got was they don't want you? um. 08:10.68 dclduo Oh wow. 08:12.96 Sam Um. 08:25.33 lentesta Ah, playing for money in Nassau and I'm like like dude if you see? Yeah yeah. 08:28.10 dclduo Um, but that can't be the answer because because our friend got our friend got barred. Well our friend got barred and occurs it wasn't going to Nasa so it can't be that. 08:28.20 Sam Um, right yet, That's just not true. 08:35.54 lentesta Yeah, and well you know? Yeah, so but I'm like dude your your cruise costs $4000 or whatever is do you really think that I could afford this cruise and then have to beg for money in the Bahamas like what and you know I mean it doesn't make any sense. They're just saying stuff to just you know, get you to. 08:45.13 Sam Right. 08:53.73 lentesta To to put your um, put your musical instrument back. But when I I talked to some friends who had tried to bring on things like Ukuleles Um, and and they weren't allowed as well. So now our question is what's the smallest set of musical instruments that you could smuggle on. 09:03.70 Sam Um. 09:12.66 lentesta Without getting caught because that's how we think right? I mean that's like you know if you say these? Well this is it like you know, could you bring you know like the recorders that you play in fifth grade like could you bring those worst or the best Sam. 09:13.15 Sam Um, maybe a Harmonica Yeah, those are the worst can you imagine anything? Well the worst and then can you imagine anything more annoying than sitting at like satellite falls. 09:13.24 dclduo Yeah, yeah, yeah. 09:33.72 Sam And having some money like playing hot cross buns on the recorder. 09:38.16 lentesta Right? So we we had thought an orchestra made up of um Harmonica's recorders and um triangles. You know the ding ding ding. Um that we could probably get those on the ship and then the question was what kind of music could we play once we're on the ship with that. So. 09:49.44 Sam Ah yes, ah. 09:53.94 Sam Yeah. 09:55.69 lentesta Um, you know again, this is just. 09:56.76 dclduo I would go a different I'd go a different route then I'd go covert like can you bring on a washboard. You know a bucket and ah and ah and a string. Yeah. 10:01.72 Sam Right? Some things that are not actually instruments but can be played as instruments. So yeah. 10:04.91 lentesta Um, but tuug right yeah right country bear jamboree version 2 yeah 10:11.73 dclduo Let's see. Yeah. 10:12.43 Sam So so we learned this lesson and actually in 18 and our first cruise 1 a friend of ours that was with us brought it's actually not even a true guitar. It's just ah, they call it a practice guitar or travel guitar and it's like just like the neck. It doesn't make a lot of noise like you can't. 10:26.22 dclduo No, no, the the guitar he was bringing was a it's It's a travel guitar because of its size it was still you still played music on it. No I have one I have one Sam I have one downstairs. Yeah. 10:26.89 lentesta Right. 10:31.35 Sam Yeah, but you know okay I thought it I thought it hardly made any noise Anyway, it got it got you know confiscated when we were boarding and I will tell you when I play the Ukulele and I would love to take my ukulele with me on board. But unfortunately obviously it can't so. 10:31.72 lentesta Um, yeah. 10:40.10 lentesta Um, yeah. 10:50.59 Sam We were going to tell you or respond to your tweet but we didn't know if this would be insensitive. Ah ask what your your tweet or Instagram post I can't remember which one it was asking what song should lend play on the wish we were going to say you should play Simon and garenkel's sounds of silence. 11:00.75 lentesta Um. 11:10.73 lentesta Ah I only know two complete songs on guitar I've only been playing for like eighteen months um and they're both Van Halen songs so difficult for me to ah to but look yeah, that's the the ah yeah, but I mean the the interesting thing was like when I went on virgin. 11:11.77 Sam Ah, yeah. 11:14.10 dclduo Yeah. 11:25.72 lentesta Like I was staying in there. Um, so they have like ah rock star quarters they're called and I was staying in the massive suite. Um and they actually have 4 really nice guitars hanging on the wall that you can play um offender Telecaster offender strat ah Gibson Les Paul and ah and ibbenez flying v. 11:27.52 dclduo Yeah. 11:34.23 Sam Cool. 11:43.34 lentesta Um, ah each of those guitars is worth a couple thousand dollars and they didn't have amps right? because they they actually said ah when they when the cruises first started on version. They had amplifiers. The problem was noise. Um, so you don't have amplifiers but um Brian you said you play. 11:52.68 Sam Right. 11:53.32 dclduo Yeah. I have been trying to learn to play for a while I would not say what I do is Playing. No no. 12:03.79 lentesta Do you? Ah do you have an irig. Do you know what? those are it's ah you plug your guitar into the irig and it acts as a ah an an amp with effects and you plug that into your headphones or your iphone. Yeah so you you can do all kinds of like interesting pedal effects. 12:14.80 dclduo Oh yes, Yes, yeah. 12:20.82 Sam Oh cool. 12:21.35 lentesta Using your iphone. so um so I brought that I brought the ira with me and just put some headphones on and it sounded like you know if you want to do scales or something like that. Um, and you want to sound like Randy Rhodes on crazy train. You could totally do that and so that's what I did. Yeah so anyway, yeah, so ah, anyway, we're talking about cruises. So I um so i. 12:37.10 dclduo Um, yeah. 12:40.95 lentesta The boarding that was the only weird thing about the boarding process and the embarkation process. Um in general for poor canaveral was was good I'm platinum these days. So um, so the platinum boarding process is is pretty good getting on the ship I will say getting on this on the ship. The entrance experience. 12:41.84 Sam E. 12:50.98 dclduo Yeah. 13:00.15 lentesta Into the atrium was pretty nice I had seen pictures of the atrium. Um I think it's the the one on the wish is the best designed of the 4 ships that was that was pretty spectacular. Um I did not have a chance to lay down on the carpet and do snow angels or carpet angels. 13:10.39 Sam Um, oh yeah. 13:18.11 lentesta Because there were already too many people sort of in the lobby but the ah the other thing that I was super interested in on getting on was um, seeing how the elevators were working so you guys have heard about how Disney moved the elevators around um and there are 2 banks of elevators now instead of 3 Um. 13:27.52 dclduo Yes. 13:36.12 lentesta And I had heard a lot of negative things about the the elevators I thought it was fine like I um I didn't mind the walk to the elevators I found them to be. You know, not especially long to wait for the capacity. It wasn't There was only once and it was on you know, embarkation day where um. 13:37.39 Sam Um, yeah. 13:38.40 dclduo Yeah, so. 13:47.27 Sam So. 13:55.23 lentesta You know the elevator was completely full like I didn't feel at any time that it was substantially different than any other Disney Cruise line so that was a pleasant thing like I'd heard negative things about the elevators I thought I'd be fine. You know for world. 14:01.91 dclduo Yeah, well I think I think the smart I think the smart design decision that they did was. It's not that the elevators are forward and aft like they are in the other ships and they just eliminated the middle bank. They brought them both closer in so they're both kind of just off of. 14:05.30 Sam Yeah I agree. 14:16.53 lentesta Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they yeah. 14:21.10 dclduo Midship and then you get to other places. Yeah. 14:21.73 Sam Yeah I did I did hear that the walk to the aft from the aft elevators is a bit long if you are staying in a room and particularly for. People in like wheelchairs that that's a bit of ah a schlep especially because the hallways are a little bit narrow. So from an accessibility standpoint that was the thing I've sort of I can continue to keep hearing um through you know Facebook groups and and whatnot. But I agree Len for those of us without any mobility issues. I. 14:41.69 lentesta Um, yeah. 14:53.16 Sam Found it to be completely manageable and there's more elevators between those 2 banks than there are between the 3 banks on the other ships. 15:02.50 lentesta Yeah, so I thought that was a those fine my um, my stateroom was actually 9000 so it's an interior stateroom on deck nine it was the farthest forward stateroom on that deck. Um, so I was the last one. So ah, but even then I didn't think that they'll walk from. 15:14.16 Sam Um. 15:19.39 lentesta Either bank of elevators was especially long. Granted it was three days and I did a lot of running around. Um but still I don't think that like adding a fourth or a fifth day would have would have changed my opinion there. So I thought the elevators so I thought the lobby was better than expected I thought the elevator situation was better than expected. Um, another thing that I thought was much better than that anticipated. 15:20.22 dclduo M. 15:39.31 lentesta Was the food on the pool deck and the pizza. Yeah I totally agree and I'm talking about like the barbecue station. What's the name of it. 15:39.76 dclduo Yeah, it's best. It's best in the it's best in the fleet I think. 15:44.11 Sam Yes, by far. 15:52.68 dclduo Ah, that which one is that there's Donald's cantina and there is ah it's not goofy. Yeah. 15:55.60 Sam What is the name of it I don't even remember but it's the barbecue station. 15:56.25 lentesta So It's yeah, it's delightful I mean the brisket was great. The smoke sausage was excellent. The pulled pork was good variety of sauces. Um, yeah, that was I would have I would have eaten there every day if I could um pizza I thought was was very Good. Um I'd Heard. Stories about there being long waits for pizza and I can kind of see that sometimes because the the pizzas are made fresh instead of sitting around. Um but in general, the quality was worth the you know couple minutes I had to wait. Um, yeah, So I think the pull duck food is a huge improvement over um, over everything else in the fleet I Also thought. 16:23.13 Sam E. 16:36.98 lentesta Marceline Market was better than any version of Cabaanas on any other ship like I like the layout I thought the variety of the food was good I thought the um, the quantity of food that they gave was just right anytime I wanted something like for for breakfast. For example I generally eat fruit. 16:39.42 Sam A. 16:55.16 lentesta Um, and maybe you know an egg for protein and you know I could get as much fruit as I wanted even if you needed to you know, pick up 6 little trays of you know, um you know pineapp or ah of melon and watermelon whatever that's fine. Yeah I thought I thought so that marsley but. 17:08.83 Sam Did you like? yeah, did you like that it was um, ah crew served versus caban is has you know returned to to self-serve. Um. Yeah, at first obviously with the reopening it was crew served and then it went back to self-serve and but marsle market for the most part. There's a couple of stations that are self-served. But for the most part it's crew served I wonder if you liked that didn't like that didn't care. 17:32.22 lentesta It it didn't really register for me I can see the advantages of both you know on the 1 hand. Um, oh I did like the the washing station in ah the handwashing station that you have to go through to get in the marsley market and there's a crew member there that doesn't make you do it but sort of like you know glares at you if you try and walk past. So it's ah it's a shaming mechanism. Um, you know it. 17:50.83 Sam I Yeah I I agree with you I think it's I mean they they do that on the other ships as well. But it's it's sort of better positioned marsceline market. Maybe. 18:01.35 lentesta Yeah, so I I don't I don't really have an opinion one way or the other um the ah the big thing for me when I'm self-reserving is like again going back to the fruit thing I don't like pineapple so I would generally like pick that out a fruit but you know if it's a case of like I just have to throw away some pineapple but everyone else is happy with it. Fine. You know nobody or I have to eat the pineapple. Okay, yeah I thought it was um I thought the food was was really good. Um, our bags got there. You know, very very fast. My stateroom attendant. This ollyia was excellent. Um, the other thing I really liked about the state of room. So I had an inside cabin. And I thought that would be like super small and it you know it was small um have you seen on the therm. The thermostat of these cabins. It has like an arctic Blast Button Have you seen that What how did I live life without that before that was amazing because like. 18:45.76 dclduo Yes, yes. 18:56.17 lentesta You know it's superhuidd in the caribbean and this was pretty warm when we were there. You know you spent all day on Castoway K Castro key which we'll get to um, but you know you come back. You take a shower you push the Arctic chill button and then you hop in bed like there were nice where I was under all the covers. At night on a cruise ship and that was beautiful I really enjoyed that a lot. So um, the state room was kind of small. It was super functional. Everything worked, um and I I do like what they've done with the thermostat settings. So yeah, all in all, no complaints. There. 19:25.47 dclduo Yeah, what it did now Len I feel like we've had you on the show before and you've tested out mattresses and things to be anyway, they so overall good impression of the stateroom some some folks have said storage was an issue maybe that wasn't really your case because you're on a three night cruise but yeah 19:40.83 lentesta It was you know it was just me. Um, if I had 1 more adult in there. It would have been fine if I was was going to put 4 people in there. Yeah I would think you know storage might be an issue but you know at that point if you're making a decision where you have 4 people in an inside stateroom. 19:48.24 dclduo Yeah. 19:57.82 lentesta You know that you're making compromises about things right? and so that's to be expected especially for a three night cruise at that point you're you're thinking about things like how many clothes do I bring do I just take 2 hours to do laundry. Do I pay someone right? You know there's there's tradeoffs involved there. 19:58.32 Sam Even. 19:58.35 dclduo Yeah, yeah. 20:16.30 lentesta But I can see I can see both ways. There. The 1 thing I will say is this um a number of people had questions about both the um, the temperature of the shower um water and then how to get ah better water pressure and. Did you guys notice this that there's like um on both sides of the of the shower faucets. There's a stop that you have to sort of push past to get really hot water and to get really hot. So um, and so for some people the pressure, the amount of force that it took to get past that first stop. 20:41.19 dclduo Yes, yes. 20:54.80 lentesta Was greater than they had anticipated. They thought that's as far as it goes so like when I was talking to my sister at night one she was like I can't hit the water pest lukewarm I'm like oh no, you've got to you got to push pest that it's like a safety guard for kids and so she figured that out but that's not just something that I think. 20:56.82 Sam Now interesting. 20:57.44 dclduo What. 21:05.74 dclduo Yeah, well I remember there being a button. 21:10.95 lentesta Yeah, yeah, yeah, that might be more complicated or because we've all been in european showers with like 7 dials where you got to figure basically like I'm trying to reroute steam. Yeah, it's like am I in a railroad situation here. Where is what do all of these valves do here. Yeah. 21:17.60 Sam Yeah, where you figure out where how works. Yeah, this is is there a manual that the shower comes ah. 21:20.27 dclduo Ah, yeah, if you turn far enough 1 way the ship actually does a u-turn and goes back to port. Yeah well Lynn I'm curious about your go ahead. 21:27.98 lentesta Um, yeah, so that was ah so so that was the 1 thing. Yeah I would say that's that's the 1 thing where um, there was some potential for confusion I figured out like as soon as I hit the. 21:38.10 dclduo And go ahead. 21:46.19 lentesta As soon as they felt the temperature and felt a stop. Um that you know that it went farther than that. But that's the sort of the 1 thing I would say like just as an fy when you go on the on the ship lookout for that. 21:46.51 Sam Is he. 21:55.90 dclduo Yeah, well let let's see if we can divide up your thoughts here into some kind of big bucket sections and so I wanted to start with. Maybe your overall impression of the layout of the ship because some people have expressed like ah it's. 22:00.59 lentesta Yeah. 22:10.24 dclduo You know, really hard to navigate and it's hard to tell how much of that is just folks who are used to a certain layout on the Disney Ships versus folks who aren't ah but what did you think of the overall just layout of the ship. 22:21.24 lentesta Um, you know in general I thought it was the right mix of familiar with Disney Layouts in general versus. Um I don't know what you know I can't find can't find where anything is um I thought like the the pull deck layout. We all sort of understand that once we've been on a Disney ship. Um, a couple of things were confusing to me like Dex 3 4 5 were not quite laid out the way that I had seen on the other ships. So like finding the hyperspace lounge was a challenge for me without using a map. Um, um, the other thing that. 22:44.84 Sam E. 22:45.22 dclduo In. 22:56.72 lentesta Would say in terms of layout that I really liked and this is sort of a I guess a controversial opinion I liked the layout of the pool deck with the sort of the staggered levels I Yeah um number one It's visually interesting I can see how if you're a parent. 23:01.36 dclduo Um, yeah. 23:03.53 Sam We loved it. 23:13.20 lentesta And you've got kids in separate pools that keeping an eye on them could be more difficult. Um, you know, then there are a couple of options. There just have everybody in the same pool or use 2 parents or you know take turns or whatever. Um, but yeah in general I thought I thought the more smaller pools. 23:18.32 Sam Ah. 23:32.85 lentesta Idea versus a fewer larger pools was better. Um I I didn't really miss the the lack of a complete lap running track. Um. 23:35.49 Sam Totally. 23:43.49 Sam Is. 23:47.63 lentesta I've been on on Disney ships before where I've like I was training for half marathon and I've run a half marathon on a disney ship before like his training um can't do that on the wish. Um, but you've got treadmills right? You can you can use treadmills for that and I've trained for half marathons and marathons on treadmills too and that's fine. Um, so I get that you know you want to be outside if if it's possible. You could be outside and running on a ship I don't know that the lack of a a complete running track is a is a thing there I didn't and it run on the ship I guess if I was like really dedicated to running these days I would and would have a different feeling in that. But that was the one sort of complaint and or another you know, complaint that I've heard that like didn't really affect me on the ah on the ship. But overall yeah I thought the layout was I thought the only it was was was good. It like it's just familiar enough. Um that it was you know once you sort of knew where you were you could figure things out. 24:30.35 Sam A. 24:45.00 lentesta Stuff I didn't get to and again this was a three day cruise and we had like completely packed itinerary I still don't know where the theater is on the ship like I never found it never found it us god never found it did not did not get to that part of the ship I um. 24:49.27 dclduo Um, yeah. 24:56.51 Sam Ah, the theater is in the same place as it is on every other ship. 25:04.12 lentesta Did not make it into the spas because I get it's a three night Cruise um didn't make it to the Marvel restaurant because I went to pollo that night didn't go to on toronte so I mean this is again my my ideal first cruise on a ship is a five night with a couple of um, couple of sea dayss where you get time to which pull the ship didn't have that on this one but um. 25:04.73 Sam Um, yeah. 25:09.88 dclduo Yeah. 25:23.83 lentesta Yeah, overall my my impression was ah, generally positive to much more positive than I was anticipating on it and I say that even knowing that it was 20% more than you know the cost of the dream. 25:32.60 Sam Yeah. 25:34.78 dclduo Yeah, yeah, it's um I mean we had 8 nights on board and we didn't get to do everything to do so yeah I mean it's it's a there's a lot. There's a lot. Yeah. 25:39.69 lentesta Wow. 25:41.34 Sam Yeah, between the well and that was even before certain things were up and running for example, like uncharted adventure was not up and running when we were on. 25:50.64 lentesta Yeah, didn't get a chance to play that. Yeah, they actually had the um the developers on their on the ship asking guestes they were playing it like what do you think of this what you think of that so that was ah that was pretty cool. 25:56.19 dclduo Yeah, yeah, well we got to ask if Hank Lonely made it to hyperspace lounge and what what he thought about hyperspace lounge and I guess in the vein of you know, sort of talking about. 25:58.81 Sam Yeah, yeah. 26:11.32 dclduo Did it exceed or meet expectations. You know what? what did you think of hyperspace lounge. That's fair. Yeah. 26:14.50 Sam For those who don't know you need to go back into our catalog and listen to our episode with Len about the galactic star cruiser and then you'll hear all about Hank lonely. 26:25.30 lentesta Um, yeah, yeah, Hick Lonelys a character I made up for the star cruiser um did not make any and an appearance on the ship but I am actually doing the star cruiser next March Thirtieth um, with Jim Hill so I'll be Hank lonely again doing me reprising reprising the entire thing. 26:39.30 dclduo Nice. 26:41.26 Sam Um, nice, well will will he be um, perhaps a furry companion. 26:41.43 lentesta Um. 26:46.20 lentesta Um, you know, but he has a character. It's ah it's ja of the hill I believe is what he's doing as and we we haven't quite come up with the backstory yet. but um but yeah we're going to work on it. We're going to work on it together. You know I thought so my favorite bar on any Disney ship is the skyline right. 26:49.77 Sam I Love it. 27:01.29 Sam Are. 27:03.26 dclduo Yep. 27:04.49 lentesta Ah, and my wife and I had not in addition to um, modeling our bathrooms after the rainforest showers we had done. We had lived in a Mid -century modern house basically all glass the 1 wall that was in glass we put four sixty Inch plasma tvs on it to replicate. 27:22.99 dclduo Wow. 27:23.40 lentesta Sort of the skyline bar. So I I like the skyline bar I like and that was the place that that I would go like when I was um on La cruises where I would go and do some work because you know it's got background music. It's got scenery. It's dark and you you know where the electrical outlets are like. 27:24.65 Sam Oh my goodness. Ah. 27:41.76 lentesta Like you could do some work at the skyline bar during the day when they're not doing beverage tasting. Um and so hyperspace launched to me was sort of like skyline bar but Star Wars named Um, and I I don't think it's as themed as I expected like the the. 27:44.30 Sam And. 27:57.64 Sam So yeah. 28:01.49 lentesta The the displays are the same displays are very very similar to what you get on the galactic Star cruiser which I appreciate because the star cruiser is $5000 for two nights. So anything that you can do to bring that sort of thing to people who are only paying like $800 a night. You know like great. You know, great thing. Um I thought other than the screens and sort of the um, the the drink the bar tending areas which looked a lot like the subblight lounge on um on the star cruer or Ogus Cantina You know the rest of it was relatively unthemed and. 28:39.56 dclduo Um. 28:40.60 lentesta I Thought they could have that could have been more amped up. Um, so it was fine. Um, the drinks were okay, nothing super special to me the thing that I again I didn't get to all the bars. Um, my favorite bar be besides skyline on. Um. 28:42.49 Sam Yeah. 28:44.75 dclduo You yeah. 28:59.62 lentesta On the ships I like the skele and the fantasy the best because it's got the most cities but my second favorite bar would be pink on the dream I like ah I like a nice less of champagne I think champagne goes with everything and um I think that Disney's atmosphere and theming in pink. 29:04.93 dclduo I. 29:05.52 Sam And. 29:18.68 lentesta Is exactly what you want in a champagne barn by that I mean like you know you're drinking. You're on a velvet couch somewhere in the background is music by either edith pioff or Frank Sinatra as god intended right? Um, and that's what right. 29:27.64 Sam Right? Exactly you might have a popsicle in your cocktail I don't know right. 29:35.49 lentesta Right? But this is the way this is the way things are supposed to be right? Um, and I didn't get a chance to experience anything like that on the on the list. Do they actually have a champagne bar This is horrible that I'm asking this question. Yeah. 29:45.93 Sam Nightingales is yeah I mean Nightingales I would say is the closest thing I I wouldn't necessarily it but I feel like I feel like it's got a ah. 29:49.80 dclduo And it's actually a It's actually a Gen bar night Nightingale is kind of a gin bar almost yeah. 29:58.62 Sam I Don't know to me. It's got the kind of atmosphere where you would enjoy a nice glass of champagne. But I agree agree it's not. It's not as much a champagne bar as pink or Ula law for sure. 30:10.97 lentesta Right? So I did not get a chance to experience all of the ah any of the other bars on the ship just too much running too much running around to do that. Um I think the bars like on the pool deck and stuff like that. Those are generally comparable to um to anything else on any other distance ship or basically any other. You know Cruise line this or there's a limit to what they can for. 30:29.16 Sam What did you think what? I'm curious to know what you thought of Luna. Um Luna is I'll call it a multipurface space. It's a bar but it's also it's like the replacement for the tube evolutions azure you know all basically the space for the. For bingo as well. As for some of the adult entertainment at night I'm curious as to what you thought of the space and its use or as they're you know in the way that they're using it on the wish. 30:59.14 lentesta Um I saw them do bingo there and then this was actually this space where Jim and I did um a podcast on the ship. So Disney let us use that space for a to record a podcast on the history of pirates of the crypt. Um, so the setup there was excellent. Are they give us an a V team. 31:05.43 Sam Oh cool. 31:16.18 lentesta Do the audio um ar vind was there. He did great um for us and we had a Disney Cruise line rep David um, helping us out there as well. I am I thought it was great. The stage setup is really interesting or ah, the stage setup is um, both small but because it's Multilevelss. You know there's that. Floor right in front of you and there's sort of like a balcony level. Um, everybody has a good view like no one's too far away from the stage. The other thing I thought that was super interesting was that the sides were open to guests walking along the corridors which which means like when I was talking and I said hey I hear their you know Disney is giving out free drinks on deck twelve. 31:35.57 Sam Here. 31:43.67 dclduo Me. 31:47.69 Sam Yep. 31:54.65 lentesta Right? That was um, not something that Disney appreciated but I and immediately had to correct. Um, but that was something that you know people outside could hear and again that was a joke didn't immediately said that wasn't true. Um, but yeah, so that's but that's an interesting space because I think that's the only space to like that on any of the cruise lines. 32:10.79 Sam Yeah. 32:12.17 dclduo Yeah, yeah. 32:14.14 lentesta And I think it's it's useful to disney because like if you're doing things like playing Bingo or you've got a comedian um, the fact that it's open will draw people in and that's what they want right? They want more people to participate in that the thing that was going on before us was um, karaoke and I and I said to arvind who was. 32:22.22 Sam It is. 32:33.87 lentesta Handling a v for us was like do not I know the podcast may not be great, but at least we didn't have to sing let it go 1 more time. 32:42.32 Sam Ah, well and I'm sure that was like a family karaoke which is I'm going to yeah, it's it's like the 9 won't want to say this but I'm going to say it um family karaoke can be a total train wreck. Um, because you have to hear young kids who don't necessarily have good voices singing. 32:43.74 lentesta Yeah, yeah, yeah. 33:00.66 Sam Really difficult to sing Disney songs like that only a professional soprano should sing and it's can be quite painful. 33:03.88 lentesta Um, yeah, yeah, and it's I mean it's It's the the same songs that you're hearing over and over again on the ship anyway. So it's a kumatata let it go basically all the familiar things. Um, that was fine I mean the kids are gonna be kids. 33:14.54 Sam Yep. 33:20.85 lentesta Good the um the one area that I experienced on the wish that I really liked that I um have not seen on other ships on other Disney ships was sort of the play area like the um, the obstacle horseing credit course. Have you guys done that? Yeah, here's a. 33:21.60 Sam Yep. 33:32.70 dclduo Yeah, yeah in the Hero zone. 33:34.89 Sam Oh yeah, in the Heroes Zone No, but our friends did so we ah we I did go and watch the um, the incredible games I think they called it which was so they have it open for free play for. 33:38.45 lentesta Have you done the in credit course. 33:45.69 lentesta Yeah, yeah. 33:50.98 Sam Usually one day of the cruise like one full day and the reason they do that is because the hero zone obviously is a multipurpose space and they like to keep it open for people to play basketball and things like that. But 1 full day pretty much. It's turned into the incredible course which is this huge blow up thing and then. 33:59.52 lentesta Yeah. Um, yeah. 34:06.65 Sam For like an hour and a half maybe they have an incredible games and so teams participate and race basically and and are two friends who have we have dubbed the dc duo junior they um they actually participated in it and they came in second place actually on the maiden voyage. So. 34:19.35 lentesta Ah. 34:25.74 Sam Yeah. 34:26.35 lentesta So I got to do it and because I was hosting um you know a bunch of people. Everyone wanted to race against me Jim decided Jim decided that he was going to cheer from a distance which was probably the smart move so you know. I line up the first time not knowing what to expect and you've got to take your shoes off. Um, so you're running in your socks and they put me up against um, a twelve year old girl that was like you know why? Why are you doing this number one because like I'm just going to try and cheat to win right. 34:52.80 Sam So yep. 35:00.00 lentesta Um, number two I'm going to lose because I know I'm going to lose right? Um, so the the funny thing about the in credit course is that it is geared to small children like all of the obstacles are made so that small children can get through them quickly. But if you're an adult your size and your weight because it's a blowup course. 35:00.96 Sam Right. 35:19.63 lentesta Works against you in every possible way. So I it's you, you'd be surprised. It's only like it's so it's not twenty yards long and then you have to loop back. So it's sort of like a yeah u-ha and maybe so let's say it's twenty yards there and twenty yards back it is the most exhausting forty yards of 35:20.74 Sam Yeah, ah yep. 35:37.47 lentesta Of activity. It is like a full workout in the span of like under a minute I got to the end and you you have to run up like a ladder but it's not quite a ladder because you have to alternate the motion of your feet in your hands in climbing your ladder in a way that's exactly opposite. 35:52.10 Sam E. 35:55.73 lentesta The way that you would normally do it. Do you really like to think about how you're climbing this thing and then you get to the top and then you slide down and you sort of because it's you know it's ah it's an inflatable thing when you slide down and bounce. It basically bounces you off you know towards the wall. You know the paded wall at the end. And I land and I'm like on my knees and I look up at this cast member like you know the signs of Cardiac arrest and cpr she looks down at me like sure was not the most reassuring answer. But then so I did that a few times and it was um. 36:21.27 dclduo Um. 36:31.32 lentesta It was a lot of fun but ah, but it's exhausting it was ah it was great though. It was definitely fun for kids I really enjoyed doing that I could not do it more than 3 times because again, it's just it's a lot of ah, a lot of activity. But that's something they don't have about other ships that I I also really liked on the wish right. 36:46.76 dclduo Yeah I I I just like that it was that that they have added the multipurpose space because I I think that there's tons of things that they can ultimately do with that in a way that they couldn't do with just outdoor basketball cards. So I think that that's yeah for sure. 36:48.85 lentesta As well. Yeah, and you kind of see see the similar rooms on like Royal right? They've got those multipurpose spaces as well. 37:05.72 dclduo Well then we got to ask about restaurants and so I know you skipped Marvel ah, but assuming you made it to Aaron Dell and 1923 and I'm just curious what you thought about the restaurant experience overall with the rotational dining. 37:18.52 lentesta So we um, we started off at 1923 which is split into walt and Roy Sides because we had so many people they actually gave us all the same seating in the same side of the restaurant so that was super fun. Yeah, it was really nice I mean Disney Disney did a lot for us on this career and I'm I'm super appreciative of it. 37:27.16 Sam You know that's awesome. 37:35.49 lentesta Um, I really liked the menu I liked the menu best at 1923 I thought the food was better than I expected and I you know generally I like main dining room food on disney anyway, um, food was excellent I thought the desserts were good. Um, every one of my service recommendations were spot on. 37:37.99 dclduo 2 37:53.96 lentesta The 1 thing I didn't get to do because I was entertaining. Um I didn't get to try any of the drinks normally I would ask my server to pair a cocktail with what I'm having but because there were so many people and I didn't want to drink I didn't get a chance to do that. But overall I thought food in 1923 was was great. Um, and the service was excellent. 38:03.65 Sam Um. 38:13.63 lentesta I What do you guys? think of the split layout. 38:15.78 dclduo I Yeah and yeah. 38:18.40 Sam Yeah, plus and minus um to me, it's it makes the seeding area a little bit tight. Um, but actually not as tight as it is in aaronale or in Marvel um, but I don't know it I to me I didn't think it was ah you know I don't I didn't. 38:22.82 lentesta Um, it's long and narrow right? right right. 38:35.25 Sam Really have a huge negative feeling about it because at least you've got some. You know you got the windows you got some light coming into the restaurant because of the way they shaped it. Um, yeah so I would say overall to me it wasn't ah wasn't ah a big negative. 38:40.41 lentesta Yeah. 38:50.42 Sam But I think all of the restaurants have a tight feel to them on the wish. 38:54.81 lentesta And um, so the the long and narrow feel is basically what I got in every restaurant so that was night one um night two we did pollo in I had I knew but then I forgot and then I had to remember thatpollo on the wish. 39:00.20 dclduo Um. 39:10.86 lentesta Is not like apollo on every other ship because on every other ship Apollo was an italian restaurant on the wish it's a french steakouts's with the same name. It's just just you know super confusing. Um, ah we had some scheduling difficulties with our group. Um there. So um. 39:10.97 dclduo Great. 39:11.60 Sam It is. 39:29.92 lentesta I don't think what I don't think our experience was representative of a typical experience at pollo. Um, so we had some. We had some issues around the service that um would not normally happen if things had been scheduled properly and I'll leave it at that. So I didn't really get. Ah, um I don't think I got a fair evaluation of Apollo I would say number of the things that I tried were were good. Um, it's definitely more the menu is more varied than the standardpollo menu. Um I've been there was a point where I was on the magic like Twenty Consecutive twenty consecutive days but like 39:48.45 Sam Yeah. 40:05.73 lentesta 20 out of thirty days or whatever and I was eating Apollo like every night and it was I was ordering the same thing every night. Um, and I was just you're basically doing tired of of Disney Cruise food um but this was varied enough that I think that that wouldn't be a problem. I did like the fact that they added they've added because it's a steak cast. They've added wago. That's an option there and those prices for wa you are relatively reasonable considering you're paying Disney Cruise prices to be on the ship to begin with I got that that was decent. Um I think the deserts are really good on Apollo I think the service is excellent. 40:23.78 Sam E. 40:25.88 dclduo Um. 40:40.22 lentesta Um, the cocktails that we tried were very good I Need to go back again and give the food another try because again like we had some. There were some issues there around the the scheduling that caused problems. Um. 40:43.56 dclduo Yeah. 40:43.95 Sam Yeah. 40:49.70 dclduo Yeah, yeah. 40:51.87 Sam Yeah, we had some I think we had actually maybe the best food we've ever had at Pallo was Pollo dinner on the wish. Um it was also the most expensive Pollo dinner weid ever had. But but yeah. 40:57.73 lentesta Would would did you have sure sure David tried on Smith hey yeah, okay. 41:04.31 dclduo Who. 41:06.14 Sam And mean yeah I mean we did try on chate but Paulo was just the not the most expensive meal but the most expensive polo meal he'd ever had. Um because of the steak. But um, yeah. 41:12.82 dclduo Yeah, and I actually but I actually found it to be decent value because we we So we both ended up getting the the wagoo steak which I've told people if you're platinum, you're basically getting a free steak and then you're paying for everything else. Um. 41:12.92 lentesta Um, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 41:22.70 lentesta Yeah, yeah. 41:26.77 dclduo So I actually this I thought the steak was excellent and I thought the food was excellent and actually that of the of the meals that I have had to pay for on Disney Cruise line I thought that that was one of the more reasonable checks at the end of the night so yeah 41:37.21 lentesta Yeah, um, the the deserts Apollo I mean they're still doing the chocolate. Um, ah souffle which is which is very good I don't like wet and dry food touching. So the idea of pouring sauces onto a souffle is ah. 41:43.82 Sam Soupfly. 41:54.24 lentesta Not great for me from a texture perspective but I still did it because it still tasted really good. Um, so yeah, so I thought I thought I would definitely go back to Apollo if if nothing else try everything else on the menu. Um, and then night. 41:55.49 dclduo In. 42:04.92 Sam Yeah, we did hear a couple of our listeners were on or on your podcast cruise and actually maybe won some kind of like sort of raffle or contest to have dinner with you guys? Yeah, so that was a. 42:15.26 lentesta Um, yeah to have dinner with us. Yeah, oh still reminds me. Um, yeah so I hope they ah they ah they survived with that too much emotional scarring other thing that oh Emily Adrianne hey guys 42:28.21 dclduo Yeah, yeah, yeah lynne they they listen to this lynne. They listen to this show. They've got enough emotional scarring as it is So yeah. 42:28.36 Sam Ah, well Emily and Adrian if you're listening len hopes that you survive? Yeah, ah yeah. 42:33.69 lentesta Yeah, yeah, those super fun and then Adrianne did our um I know right? and then Adrianne did our um room led experiment contest as well and he did well in it that was a that was great. The other thing I liked about Paula and I forgot about this was um. 42:42.89 Sam Oh there, you go. 42:49.20 lentesta They have a water menu and um I am a huge water snob. Yeah so I had gone to Victorian Albert's when it reopened so it was that July August and they have a water tasting menu there and um, the way that they had presented the water tasting menu. 42:49.83 dclduo Yes, yes. 42:51.50 Sam Oh us too. 43:09.30 lentesta To match the food was that it went in increasing order of minerality. So basically you started off with almost pure water and you got something at the end which was like highly you know with lots of dissolved solids. so um so I asked our waiter at Apollo to basically do the same thing like. 43:12.64 dclduo Interesting. 43:13.97 Sam So yeah. 43:28.64 lentesta Give me a a set of options in order of increasing minerality and theluions. There were excellent. so um yeah so I really liked that for Apollo as well. Also the prices for those some of those waters I mean they've got like vos and um, you know names that you know they have my my sort of like favorite. Daily water which is San Benedetttto from italy which is very reasonably priced I think the most expensive bottle is like $30 for some canadian iceberg stuff that only vaguely tastes like penguin um, yeah, but but. 43:56.64 Sam Yeah, yeah. 44:02.65 Sam Ah, we like we like the Sam Bedetto but we both love hilden water. 44:03.43 dclduo Ah. 44:08.39 lentesta Is that the is that this the one from like ah Ireland Scotland Uk yay yeah, very yeah, those were all very very good. Um, and I so I like the idea of a water menu because you know um I'll have 1 drink but I'm not going to have 10 drinks. 44:10.93 dclduo You? Yeah yeah I think you U K somewhere. Yeah yeah. 44:11.86 Sam It's yet from the U k. 44:23.14 Sam E. 44:25.32 lentesta But I will have like you know 7 different kinds of water if that's available hydration is important. Yeah, so so I really like that I thought that was great. Um, yeah I thought that was a really really good addition to the and to the menu. So. 44:31.50 Sam But you're serious about your hydration I Love it. 44:39.98 dclduo Well what about aaronelle and did you make it for the frozen show. Um I'm hearing that olaf might be a goner these days. But what did you think of the Aendel experience. 44:50.59 lentesta Um, this this was interesting because again 150 people were all seated at the same time. Um, the seat that I got was almost in the middle directly in front of the stage which normally would be great. But I was up against 1 of the pillars in the in the room. So um I had like one inch between my chest and the table and the people to my left immediately left couldn't view the stage because the pillar was there. So basically everyone to my left had a giant pillar in the way. The yeah. 45:07.11 Sam E. 45:07.45 dclduo Oh. 45:14.16 Sam Oh. 45:26.24 lentesta The other interesting thing um was the lighting when you're in the middle of the room like that. The lighting is basically looking beaming directly into your eyes. So it's difficult to look at the stage without um, getting your retinas burned. 45:35.89 Sam Oh. 45:43.73 lentesta It's almost. It's almost as if like the lighting should be up even 1 more level like it was. It's almost like the design. The the lighting should be on level 2 but they've only got 1 level for the show. Um so from a just from a physical seating perspective. It was uncomfortable. Um. 45:52.99 Sam Right. 46:01.10 dclduo Yeah. 46:03.47 lentesta Thought it was super loud like when they're playing when they're doing songs and stuff like that you you can't have a conversation with anyone around you um the performers are super talented. The story was great. Um I think they're actually playing the instruments too. Yeah, as far as I could tell. 46:17.10 Sam Yeah, they definitely are especially the the I'll call him fiddler but he was yeah you know Electric Violin I'm not sure you know if it was a Violin or a fiddle. Yeah, that's right. 46:18.92 dclduo Yeah. 46:27.81 lentesta Yeah, lot of stringed instruments. Yeah, maybe that's why I couldn't breath the guitarran. They didn't want competition. Maybe that was it. But um, yeah, super talented. Um, the thing is like if you're there, you are there to watch the show and not to talk about anything else and that is. 46:40.34 Sam E. 46:45.76 lentesta That's great right? because it was it was so third night you know I don't know that anyone wants to hear me talk for three days so you know maybe maybe that's great. Um, but it was it was like the least good for me dining perspective of the 3 restaurants that I was at um and I don't know how to. 46:58.48 Sam E. 47:04.77 lentesta How to fix that like the people again weigh 150 people um a lot of them said that the viewing angles for the state show weren't great where they were um and you know it's a ship. There's always compromises and stuff like that. Um, but that seemed to be like of all of the of all of the places that all of the people ate at. 47:12.49 Sam E. 47:12.71 dclduo Yeah. 47:25.16 lentesta I think everyone was least happy with Aaron. Do. 47:26.27 dclduo Yeah, it's it's to I mean to go back to something you said earlier Lyn about the like with 1923 the hallway done that like it's interesting. Aaron Hill is the largest like the largest kind of continuous room for dining but it also then feels like the smallest right? and it. 47:36.66 lentesta Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 47:45.34 dclduo I'm not sure how they can they can fix some of that I mean we saw servers struggling in almost every restaurant to get through tables to bring food to people and I don't think I've seen that before on some of the other ships. So um, yeah, it feels like they they really can train the space. Yeah, it's really tight. Um and and I agree it's really both shows are very loud like they're. 47:58.59 Sam Um, it's just tight. 48:05.25 dclduo They're really like we're taking over conversation stops I know you need't get chance to see the Marvel show. But I I agree with you they're they're both very loud. So well then let me see if I can start to wind us down a little bit so we can get you back to your day by asking sort of give us your your sort of. Your top 3 highlights from the ceiling and then I'll ask a slightly different question after that. But what what top 3 highlights from the ceiling for you. 48:33.71 lentesta Um, I would say um, the food on the pool deck and marsline market um, a highlight I thought the staterooms and the overall layout of the ship. Um in general were much better than I anticipated. Um, and then my third highlight we haven't talked about this. Um, the ice cream parlor the inside out the was amazing like that that was that's really good ice cream. We were I was there like I think it was there every day you know and normally I'm not yes and good theming. Um, ah, really good flavors. Super intense I'm not normally one to say that like. 48:51.68 Sam Um, yeah, yeah, good ice cream and good theming. 48:56.60 dclduo Yes. 49:09.57 lentesta Scoops of ice cream is worth $12 but in this case I did it? Um, yeah, so that was also um, that was also an unexpected highlight. Um I didn't get a chance to go into the shops like I said didn't get chance to do all the bars but those are my those are my 3 favorite things. 49:23.38 dclduo Yeah, well we now know that the treasure's on its way. Um, we also have you know ship 7 coming out and now all the speculation circulating the Twitter sphere about whether disney is going to buy a half builtilt ship in Germany ah, but. 49:29.98 lentesta Kip. 49:39.53 lentesta Ah, you know Asia. 49:40.17 Sam Which we don't think they are. 49:40.44 dclduo As you? Yeah yeah, as you yeah I don't know I don't know what to believe anymore. But ah as you think about the wish and some of the things that you saw that you're like man that that is just not working for them. 49:52.62 lentesta Right first. 49:53.82 dclduo Like what sort of 3 pieces of advice would you give Disney Cruise line is there that we know they're taking feedback about the future ships and trying to incorporate it as they did with ah the dream and then the fantasy. So like what what 3 things would you sort of say got to do this differently next time for the next ships. 50:02.56 lentesta Right. 50:10.30 lentesta Um, the 1 thing that I heard adults talking about was that the layout of the adult area on the pool decks cove cafe and things like that was not as um, easily accessible or um, as easily navigable. As on the other ships so I didn't get a chance to try this but um, ah adult area seems like an area of concern for people. Um to they've really got a whatever the aendel um equivalent is going to be on the newer ships. They've really got to figure that out like. 50:28.12 dclduo Um. 50:46.61 lentesta And and they may need to rethink whether an elevated stage show is the kind of thing that they think they can successfully perform on a cruise ship in that kind of environment because the answer might be no right? Um, you know, third thing you know it's difficult for me I think good jets to try the pause. So. 50:52.19 dclduo Yeah. 51:06.00 lentesta Difficult for me to say what? the? Ah the third thing would ah would be but I think those's the the 2 big things I would look at I did a friend who um, who went recently and stateed concier loved it and I would love to try that too. it' just it's a little expensive right now but you know I've got that cruise credit floating out there. So maybe who knows what. 51:19.36 dclduo There you go? Yeah, we're giving it a shot in in April and again in August we're combining 2 sailings back to back to make them 7 nights because that's that that's my thing is the wish has so much to do on it. It's hard to understand that she's sort of purposebuilt for three night cruises I'll say you the other thing Lynn I know you and know you said you're not. 51:19.64 Sam There you go. 51:27.16 lentesta Nice, nice. Yeah, yeah. 51:39.15 dclduo Ah, huge drinker. But if you ever back on the wish and you get a chance drop by hooks barbary for the smoked old fashioned experience that they have there. It is one of the best drinks I've had on Disney Cruise line yeah Yeah it's a show show and a drink. 51:44.75 lentesta Oh really interesting smoked old fashion that sounds delightful. 51:48.34 Sam So yeah, now can can I ask 1 more question I I'm curious as to whether or not you checked out any of the kids spaces I know you don't have kids but I'm just curious as to whether you check them out and what you thought because in my opinion. 51:54.14 lentesta Sure sure. 52:07.48 Sam They did a much better job with the Star Wars theming in the kids club than they did in hyperspace lounge. 52:15.76 lentesta I did and I think that's true actually um so I got to walk through them Very very briefly sort of like on on our embarkation day just to see what they were like um and they've gotten rid of sort of like the age distinctions and on on the the clubs right? You can basically wander between them and. 52:31.79 dclduo Yeah, well, it's go ahead to. 52:33.52 Sam No well they they know the The Ocean Air Club in lab for years now have not had a distinction. It's just it's for 3 to um, 12 year olds but the other clubs the tween and the teen club know they can't go to the kids club. 52:33.69 lentesta Um, no no. 52:49.82 lentesta Right? Okay, so it's between 3 and 12 right? Okay, um I thought yeah I thought the theming was was good I you know I thought they had done a decent job on the previous ships. But yeah, it's your point. It's it's definitely better themed I think than um than the hyperspace launch skin. It's kind of weird because kids as far as I know aren't buying drinks on the ship like. 52:51.39 Sam Yeah. 53:05.74 dclduo But they are allowed they are allowed in the hyperspace lounge not to buy drinks but they're allowed in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 53:06.26 Sam Um, well yeah, well, um, but only before I think 8 p m or something. Yeah. 53:07.29 lentesta Why Why would stop? Yeah yeah, know. Yeah yeah, So I would you know I'd like to see one of 2 things I'd like to see um you know way more theming in the bars. Or you know, maybe theming that they could actually actually execute better and I don't know that every single thing on the ship needs to be Disney Intellectual property like the idea of a skyline bar to me is comforting and it would be comforting for people who don't need to have. 53:31.70 dclduo And. 53:40.17 lentesta You know Disney Twenty four seven even on a Disney Cruise ship like there needs to be a space like the cove cafe you know where you can go to and just not have um you know cartoon characters surrounding you the entire time and that's why I like skyline. Um I only i. 53:41.43 dclduo Yeah. 53:51.66 Sam Right. 53:57.19 lentesta Popped into cove cafe like well we were doing ghost stories one night for like 30 seconds didn't get a chance to it to try it. But um, yeah, so I need I need another cruise where I just stay on the ship for 4 days and Don do anything else. 54:08.65 dclduo Yeah, well and if you take it Len we'd love to have you back because we always love your opinion on this stuff. Um, yeah, um, Len let me ask 1 last question which is so where does you know you've experienced all the other ships. So. 54:13.36 lentesta Oh thank you for having me I appreciate it. 54:23.40 dclduo You know where does the wish rank for you in terms of I Guess you said your favorite where the dream class ships does she beat out the dream class. Are you eyeing the fantasy before getting back on the wish. 54:32.36 lentesta Um, you know for me, it's going to come down to price like I said the um the wish is still a 20% premium over the dream and you know all things being equal I don't I don't think right now it's worth that 20% premium like if it's a choice between the dream and even the cheapest concierge or a nice. 54:42.14 dclduo Who. 54:50.76 lentesta Standard stateroom on the wish I would go concierge on the dream like itineery doesn't matter that much to me because I've been you know all over the Caribbean for me than it's more about the onboard experience So that's sort of the thing that I'm thinking about like you said though I haven't seen the entire ship. Um I do expect that premium sort of to shrink over time. 54:52.37 dclduo Yeah. 55:09.19 dclduo Um. 55:09.29 lentesta Um, so that you know that answer might change. So. 55:11.98 dclduo Well then we've mentioned throughout the show you have so many places that people can come and find and connect with you. Do you want to let folks know a few of those places where they can They can connect with you and the folks at touring plans and your podcast. 55:25.37 lentesta Sure. Thanks Brian. Um, yeah so I run this website touring plays dot com you can find me lenitttoruringants.com I also um co-author the unofficial guide to Walters New world and the Disney Cruise line and then I host the disney dish podcast with Jim Hill that's on Mondays and you can find it on Itunes or wherever you consume digital media or. 55:44.76 dclduo And and we love and consume all of those things ourselves. So you're fabulous touring plan subscription I've got unofficial guides downstairs and I love listening to you and Jim cut it up each week so Lynn thank you so much for taking time out of your business day. 55:47.98 lentesta Thanks! Thank you. 55:59.72 lentesta Awesome! Thanks Brian I appreciate it. Thanks cool! Thank you guys! Thank you again and thanks Sam I appreciate ah you the opportunity to come on. 56:00.20 dclduo So Lynn thank you so much for taking time out of your busy day to talk with us. 56:06.14 Sam Thanks. 56:06.19 dclduo All right? We can stop.